tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345275.post111526265612095698..comments2023-10-30T11:13:44.310-04:00Comments on The Ethical Werewolf ‡ by Neil Sinhababu : The view from a Go Big Red stateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345275.post-1115316136176760852005-05-05T14:02:00.000-04:002005-05-05T14:02:00.000-04:00Congressional gains were coattails, results of Cen...Congressional gains were coattails, results of Census change, and more, have more to do with the individual candidates southernness than our top-ticket. <BR/><BR/>I don't know how well economic populism sells in the south. Oh, it should. But labor unions, communism, and lazy inner-city folk are demonized that it's hard for me to say what's "natural" to be sold.Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667147687700902147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345275.post-1115308840652900502005-05-05T12:00:00.000-04:002005-05-05T12:00:00.000-04:00Sorry, misread one of your points above. But abou...Sorry, misread one of your points above. But about the downticket stuff, I seem to remember congressional gains for the Democrats in '92. Were they all non-Southern?Neil Sinhababuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672033745772751532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345275.post-1115308697455225622005-05-05T11:58:00.000-04:002005-05-05T11:58:00.000-04:00Certainly, we can't win on Southernness alone. Bu...Certainly, we can't win on Southernness alone. But as Thomas Frank will tell you, we've got some stuff that we can sell in the South -- namely, minimum wage increases and economic populism.Neil Sinhababuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672033745772751532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345275.post-1115306660469394042005-05-05T11:24:00.000-04:002005-05-05T11:24:00.000-04:00This isn't presidential candidates only. If the De...This isn't presidential candidates only. If the Democratic party's only appeal in the South is the southerness of our candidate, that's not gonna help on public support for our policies, or help get congressmen elected. Not saying we need to piss off the south. Just that, the Dems already <B>had</B> this discussion, they nominated Clinton, and his southerness did absolutely nothing but buoy <B>his</B> electoral prospects.<BR/><BR/>And again, I'm so rational-choice-ist sometimes. "Us v them" psychology as something that can be done away with easy superficialities? Ha. Much of various "cultural signals" is what people <B>choose</B> to focus on, and if there wasn't that signal, they'd focus on something else.<BR/><BR/>But lastly, I'm really just not as pessimistic for Dem's prospects as most people and am not running around like a chicken with my head cut off. What do we need to do to win an election? Not run against the president of september 11th, in the middle of a war (ie, these were factors beyond our control). I think we can handle that.Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667147687700902147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345275.post-1115275815135500772005-05-05T02:50:00.000-04:002005-05-05T02:50:00.000-04:00Well, who did we nominate after Big Dog? Gore, wh...Well, who did we nominate after Big Dog? Gore, who had spent his last 8 years being a policy wonk in DC, and Kerry, who was from Massafuckingchusetts. Bring in John Edwards, have the media sell it as the Democratic Party going South, and the anti-Coastal-elite vote will be appeased. If not fully appeased, appeased enough to chip off the votes we need. <BR/><BR/>I agree that exit polls can tell you a lot. But you don't get depth psychology out of exit polls, and for building speeches and styles that really convince people, a grasp of the psychological terrain is what you need.Neil Sinhababuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672033745772751532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345275.post-1115275233278505222005-05-05T02:40:00.000-04:002005-05-05T02:40:00.000-04:00His para seems to ignore that not only is this a s...His para seems to ignore that not only is this a specific strategy of the Republicans, hell, it's a specific srategy of any candidate. Southern Democrats have forgotten more about turning their poor voters against Coastal elites that any of us will ever learn.<BR/><BR/>These things usually come down to "you believe party X's stereotypes if you already want to disagree with party X".<BR/><BR/>Regardless, this is the sort of fuzzy punditry and cultural writing that's never backed up by data. We have complex exit polls of why people voted for Bush or didn't. Those may be lies, and not measure the people who didn't vote, but there would certainly be ways to pick up on the importance of cultural solidarity or whatnot.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, yes, linguistics and cultures are ways to signal, and rejection by the Other is one way to make it seem like you've made a sacrifice. But this is all fake narrative, and doesn't say much when none of you're guys are actually making the insults.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, over-reliance on the "southernness" of a candidate and nothing else to hold that region, is how the Democrats finally completely lost poor southerners. Once Big Dog was gone, southerners decided they had no reason to ever vote for a Dem.Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667147687700902147noreply@blogger.com